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'We Went Around Him'

Hosts: Will Hunter & Shane SheehanEastern Michigan reaction · Notre Dame weekWeek 3
Tuesday, a couple of hours after the press conference. Both of them in the studio, which has not happened in three weeks. Shane has about half a voice and an explanation for it that Will does not accept.
Will Hunter

Locked On Spartans, Tuesday, Will Hunter, Shane Sheehan, and Shane is going to sound like that for the entire show so everybody get comfortable with it now.

Shane Sheehan

It's from Saturday.

Will Hunter

It's from Saturday.

Shane Sheehan

It is a hundred percent from Saturday.

Will Hunter

Your daughter's had a cold since the first of the month.

Shane Sheehan

That's unrelated.

Will Hunter

Sure. Forty-one thirteen. Two and oh. Here's the show. We're doing the football game properly, all of it, because Sunday I basically talked to myself for forty minutes and then Shane sent me four voice memos I could not understand a word of.

Shane Sheehan

One of those was good.

Will Hunter

One of them might have been good. And then the back half is Notre Dame, and I'll tell everybody right now, we do not agree about Notre Dame and I'm not going to sit here and pretend we're close.

Shane Sheehan

We're not close.

Will Hunter

We're not in the same area code.

Shane Sheehan

Do the playcalling. That's what people want and you know it.

Will Hunter

Alright. So here's the shape of the afternoon and I want to go slow through it, because I think it's the most interesting thing that's happened in either of these games. Opening drive. Eight plays. They do not hand the football off one single time. Not once. Touchdown. And then they go to run it and it's nothing. It's worse than nothing, it's negative. Cam Edwards gets twenty-one yards on his first eight carries.

Shane Sheehan

It felt like forty carries.

Will Hunter

It was eight. That's the thing. It felt enormous and it was eight carries. And every one of them puts you in second and eight, and now your redshirt freshman is throwing on second and eight against a defense that knows it.

Shane Sheehan

And there was a reason.

Will Hunter

There was a reason and the reason has a name. Warren-Stevens Tayou.

Shane Sheehan

Say it slower.

Will Hunter

Warren-Stevens Tayou. Defensive tackle, Eastern Michigan. He had four sacks Saturday.

Shane Sheehan

Eastern Michigan had four sacks Saturday.

Will Hunter

Eastern Michigan had four sacks Saturday. Two off Sharpe, one off Vincic, one off Rustin Young. He was in the backfield the entire first quarter and Michigan State kept running the ball directly at him.

Shane Sheehan

Three times, right?

Will Hunter

Three times. Same run, same direction, same guy standing in it. And Mansour said it himself yesterday, and I'm going to read it, because it is not a coach sentence and I want people to hear it in the actual words. Quote. We were running gap scheme directly at the best player on their defense, which is a stupid thing to do. So we went around him.

Shane Sheehan

He said stupid.

Will Hunter

He said stupid. About himself. And then he said it again about ten minutes later about the fourth down call, and then a third time about the protection.

Shane Sheehan

Nobody says stupid.

Will Hunter

Nobody says stupid. But that's the quote and the quote is not the part I care about. The part I care about is the twelve minutes of football where he actually did it. They go to two tight ends, sometimes three. Savoury's moving across before the snap. And they quit running it between the guards and start running it outside. Edwards has a hundred and thirty-seven yards on his last fourteen carries.

Shane Sheehan

Say the two numbers together.

Will Hunter

Twenty-one on the first eight. A hundred and thirty-seven on the last fourteen. Same running back, same offensive line, same afternoon, same football team on the other side.

Shane Sheehan

Okay. I want to say the thing I've been trying to say since Sunday and keep losing halfway through. I have watched this program run the ball into the same guy for entire seasons. Whole years, Will. There were years where you could see it from the couch. You could see the guy lined up there before the snap, and we'd hand it off into him, and the whole place would make the noise, and then we'd come back out on the next drive and do it again. Same play. Same guy. Sometimes for a month. So the thing that got me on Saturday isn't that it worked. It's that somebody stopped.

Will Hunter

That's fair and I want to put the boring numbers on top of it.

Shane Sheehan

Put the boring numbers on it.

Will Hunter

Eight of ten on third down. Twenty-seven first downs. Four hundred ninety-five yards, eight point three a play, and they did not punt. Rhys Dakin did not punt one time in a football game.

Shane Sheehan

He warmed up for two hours.

Will Hunter

He warmed up for two hours and went home. Now, I have to do the part where I read my own thing back, because I keep a list on my phone.

Shane Sheehan

I hate the list.

Will Hunter

You hate the list because you're on the list. Friday, on this show, and this is off my own notes app so it's word for word. Quote. If the run isn't working they don't have a second idea, because a guy who's twenty-eight and has never done this is not going to come up with one on a Saturday afternoon. End quote. That's me. Two days before.

Shane Sheehan

And?

Will Hunter

And he had a second idea by the middle of the second quarter.

Shane Sheehan

You love this.

Will Hunter

I love it. I've been doing this ten years and being that wrong that fast is the best week I've had.

Shane Sheehan

You're a strange man.

Shane's voice gives out entirely for about four seconds. Will keeps talking through it without acknowledging it.
Will Hunter

Defense. And I'm going to let you do the first half because you were there and I was at a wedding.

Shane Sheehan

You were at a wedding.

Will Hunter

I was at a wedding in Toledo and I want everybody to know I watched it on my phone in a parking structure.

Shane Sheehan

Alright, the first half. Braydon Bennett. Eighteen carries, a hundred and eleven yards, eight catches for fifty-five on top of that. And it wasn't the yardage, it was the how. He ran through people. Not past them, through them. There's one in the second quarter where I counted three Michigan State players get a hand on that kid and he goes another nine yards after the third one. And here's what I actually want to tell you about, which is the stadium. We were ahead. We were ahead nearly the whole first half and it was the quietest I have ever heard that place with a lead. Not booing. Nobody booed. Everybody just sat there. There's a guy two rows down from me who kept turning around and looking at his kid and not saying anything, and the kid's about nine, and after a while the kid started doing it back. And I want to be clear about what that was, because people who weren't there are going to read the score and think we're being dramatic. It wasn't nerves, and I know the difference. Nerves is loud, you can hear nerves. This was everybody going quiet and folding their arms up and waiting for it. My brother-in-law is in the row behind me and he did not say one word between the first quarter and halftime. Not one. He talks through everything. He talked through a funeral once.

Will Hunter

That's what I got from everybody who was there. Nobody was angry. Everybody was braced.

Shane Sheehan

Braced is the word. We were ahead by ten and forty thousand people were waiting for the thing.

Will Hunter

And the numbers back the feeling up, which they don't always. Two hundred thirty-eight yards for Eastern in the first half. Seventy-eight in the second. They converted four of their first six third downs and then none of their last five.

Shane Sheehan

So what happened at halftime.

Will Hunter

Rossi got asked that yesterday and gave the least interesting answer available, which I think is why I believe it. He said they took some things out. Stopped disguising, lined up, played what they were playing. And then he said, and then we tackled better.

Shane Sheehan

That's it?

Will Hunter

That's it. Sometimes that's the answer and everybody hates it.

Shane Sheehan

I want to do Tre Bell.

Will Hunter

Do Tre Bell.

Shane Sheehan

Seventy-one yards. Four minutes left, the game has been decided for an hour, everybody in there knows the game has been decided. And I have never heard that stadium make that noise. I've been going since ninety-eight. That was the loudest thing I've been inside of. And it did not matter. It did not matter one bit and everybody knew it didn't matter and that is exactly why it was that loud. That's where the voice went, by the way. That play. I stood up and made a sound I have never made before in my life. And the thing I keep coming back to is that it wasn't relief either, relief is what you get when the field goal goes through and everybody exhales. This was people who had been sitting there for two and a half hours with their arms crossed deciding all at once that they were allowed. That's why it was that loud. Everybody in there had been holding onto something since about ten past noon.

Will Hunter

Your daughter texted me during it.

Shane Sheehan

She texted you?

Will Hunter

She sent me one word.

Shane Sheehan

Don't.

Will Hunter

The word was help.

Shane Sheehan

She's grounded.

Will Hunter

She is not grounded. Tre Bell also had two tackles for loss, and Jordan Hall had eleven tackles and an interception and nobody is going to say Jordan Hall's name once this week.

Shane Sheehan

Nobody. Pretzlaff had nine and two for loss.

Will Hunter

Nine and two for loss.

Shane Sheehan

And Derrick Simmons had two for loss and a sack, which after last week is a real thing.

Will Hunter

It is, and I'm not going to do the big comeback story with it, because Mansour specifically declined to do the big comeback story with it yesterday and I thought that was the right call. He said the kid's been fine both weeks and he put him in a bad spot in Week One. That's all it needs.

The segment they both flagged in the pre-show as the one they were going to try to do fairly.
Will Hunter

Alright. Charles Brantley. And I want to do this properly because a lot of what's happening online is not proper.

Shane Sheehan

It's disgusting. Some of it is actually disgusting.

Will Hunter

Some of it is. So here's the football, and it's three plays. One, the forty-four-yard touchdown to Devereaux in the second quarter. He's in man coverage with nobody behind him, he loses the receiver on an inside move, and the guy is standing by himself when the ball arrives. Walks in. Two, a missed tackle on Bennett in the flat that turns about a five-yard catch into twenty-five. Three, a twenty-two-yard completion on third and nine in the fourth quarter that keeps a drive alive, and they kick a field goal off it.

Shane Sheehan

And last week.

Will Hunter

And last week Grambling completed two passes the whole afternoon and both of them were on him. So it's two weeks. That's real and I'm not going to soften it.

Shane Sheehan

Okay, and now I'm going to say the other half of it and I'm not apologizing for it. On the forty-four he is out there by himself. There is nobody in the middle of that field. And we know that because Mansour said so, Saturday night, in a wet shirt, twenty minutes after the football game, and then said it again yesterday with more detail than anybody asked for. He moved his safety out of the middle of the field to go deal with Bennett, because Bennett was killing him, and then a guy ran forty-four yards down the sideline. That's a decision a grown man made in a headset. And the twenty-year-old is the one getting it in the group chats. And I want to say the part that's going to get me mail. He is twenty. He's a kid in a class somewhere on that campus today, and he has to walk to it, and there are people in this state typing things about him that they would never say to another human being's face. I've seen the replies. It's a lot of grown men. And the same guys were doing it to Noah Kim in twenty twenty-three and half of them stood up last Saturday and clapped for him.

Will Hunter

Both of those are true at the same time. I don't think either one erases the other one.

Shane Sheehan

It should erase some of it.

Will Hunter

Some. Not the missed tackle. Nobody called that.

Shane Sheehan

No. Nobody called the missed tackle.

Will Hunter

Here's where you and I actually come apart on this, and it's not about the kid. Kessler asked him straight out yesterday. He said, everybody in this room has watched the same tape, the read isn't ambiguous, and you're the only person in here who won't say a word about it. Is that a policy or is it this player. And Mansour said it's a policy, he doesn't grade players out loud, and then he told the writers to go do the tape read and do it well.

Shane Sheehan

Which is the best answer anybody's given at that podium in ten years.

Will Hunter

Maybe. It's also the third time in two weeks.

Shane Sheehan

So?

Will Hunter

So it's a habit now, and I don't know what a habit is yet. He takes a hundred percent of the blame, he gives away a hundred percent of the credit, and he's been doing it since December. I have watched a lot of people do a beautiful thing for two months.

Shane Sheehan

You think he's building himself cover.

Will Hunter

I think I don't know. I think if he's still doing it in November, when it's a guy who actually cost him a game he needed, then that's a real thing about a person and I'll say so on here. Right now it's two months and two wins over teams we were supposed to beat.

Shane Sheehan

That's the most miserable sentence you've said all show.

Will Hunter

It's Tuesday.

Shane Sheehan

He's still the kick returner. Three returns, fifty-eight yards. Not benched, not moved, and he's playing corner in South Bend.

Will Hunter

Which tells you something.

Shane Sheehan

Tells me the coach believes in him.

Will Hunter

Or tells you the next guy is a freshman.

Shane Sheehan

Or that.

A phone goes off in the studio. Neither of them picks it up and neither of them says whose it is.
Will Hunter

KK Smith. Seven catches, a hundred thirty-six, two touchdowns, long of forty-four, no drops. Through two games, fourteen catches, two hundred forty-one yards.

Shane Sheehan

In August I could not have picked that man out of a lineup.

Will Hunter

You said that last week.

Shane Sheehan

It keeps being true, that's why I keep saying it.

Will Hunter

Their corner is a kid named Caleb Dobbs and he had an afternoon he's going to remember. And I want to be fair to him, because the first touchdown is a back-shoulder throw in the end zone that is actually covered. Dobbs plays it about as well as it can be played and it goes in anyway.

Shane Sheehan

And the third and one.

Will Hunter

Third and one and they throw it forty-four yards, which the internet called a gamble and Mansour said flat out is not a gamble. Third and one against a defense that just walked eight guys up on the line. I think he's right about that.

Shane Sheehan

You think.

Will Hunter

I think. I'm not a football coach, I'm a guy with a microphone and a list on his phone.

Shane Sheehan

The list again.

Will Hunter

One more thing before Notre Dame. Zero penalties on Saturday. Zero. And one in two entire football games.

Shane Sheehan

That is not normal.

Will Hunter

It is not normal, and the reason I keep bringing it up is that he explained where it comes from yesterday and the explanation is unbelievably boring and I enjoyed it enormously. There is a person on that sideline whose entire job, every snap of every game, is to count the defense out loud. Just counts to eleven. Out loud. Every snap.

Shane Sheehan

That's a job.

Will Hunter

That's a job.

Shane Sheehan

I want that job.

Will Hunter

You'd lose count.

Shane Sheehan

I'd lose count immediately.

Notre Dame. They had both agreed before the show to keep this to eight minutes. It runs nineteen.
Will Hunter

Saturday. Michigan State at Notre Dame, three thirty. Shane, go, because you've been sitting on this since Sunday morning and it's making you strange.

Shane Sheehan

We're going to win. I'm saying it out loud on the show. I've been thinking about it since Sunday and I'm not doing the careful voice this week. They lost forty-two to six to Miami. Then they lost thirty-eight to ten at home to Wisconsin, at home, to a Wisconsin team that nobody in America thinks is any good. They were third in the country in August. Third. And now they're getting a handful of votes and that's it. And then they went and beat Rice fifty-two to ten and half the country decided they're fixed.

Will Hunter

It's Rice.

Shane Sheehan

It's Rice, Will.

Will Hunter

I agree with you about Rice. I said the same thing Sunday.

Shane Sheehan

So say the rest of it.

Will Hunter

I'm not picking.

Shane Sheehan

You have to pick.

Will Hunter

I don't have to pick.

Shane Sheehan

It's a show. Picking is the show.

Will Hunter

Alright. Here's what I have, in order, and then you can be mad at me. One. Everything that was true about that roster in August is still true. Not one player has transferred out of that place in three weeks. The guys who had them third in the country are the same guys. That's not me being clever, that's the point Mansour made yesterday and it's the correct point. Two. Their front. We just gave up four sacks to one defensive tackle from the MAC, all four of them, and our guards spent a half getting beat by that one guy. Notre Dame has three of him and one of them's a junior. Three. The stadium. Our head coach has never been in it. He volunteered that yesterday, nobody made him say it. Never set foot in the place, and neither have most of the guys on that plane.

Shane Sheehan

None of that is a prediction.

Will Hunter

No. It isn't.

Shane Sheehan

That's my whole problem with you. You hand me four true things and then you go home.

Will Hunter

Because I don't know, Shane. I've watched both Notre Dames now, I watched the Wisconsin game twice, and I could not tell you which one is the actual team. Neither could you. Neither could the head coach, and they asked him yesterday and he said he didn't know.

Shane Sheehan

He's supposed to say that.

Will Hunter

He's not supposed to say anything. He could have said whatever he wanted. He said those two look identical in September and they look identical for about six weeks.

Shane Sheehan

Okay. Here's my thing, and I want to get it out. Everybody in this state is doing the careful voice this week. Everybody. The writers, the coaches, you. And I have been doing the careful voice for eleven years, and I'm tired of it, and the one time it looks like something good might be sitting there, I'm not going to be the guy on the radio saying well, they've got better players. They do have better players! They've had better players every year I've been alive and it never once stopped them from losing to us, and it hasn't helped them at all this year. And I'll tell you what I'm actually doing this week, since we're being honest on the radio. I've got the game on at my sister's. My daughter's coming. I bought a thing of the good dip. I'm going to sit there and I am going to enjoy the entire afternoon regardless of what happens in it, because I have spent about eleven years watching these games with my jaw clenched and it did not help one single time. Not once. It never made a tackle.

Will Hunter

That's a feeling.

Shane Sheehan

It's a feeling. I told you it was a feeling.

Will Hunter

You said we're going to win.

Shane Sheehan

That is the feeling.

Will Hunter

Alright.

Shane Sheehan

Don't do the alright.

Will Hunter

I'm going to say one thing and then we're doing mail. The version of Saturday that scares me isn't Notre Dame being good. It's the first half of the Eastern Michigan game happening in that stadium. Bennett ran through us for a half, and Notre Dame's backs are better than Bennett, and their line is a lot better than Eastern's line. If that half happens at three thirty on Saturday, it doesn't stop at halftime, because they're not going to hand it back to you.

Shane Sheehan

So you have picked.

Will Hunter

I have not picked.

Shane Sheehan

You picked, you just did it in a sad voice.

Will Hunter

I described a thing that could happen on a football field.

Shane Sheehan

Coward.

Will Hunter

I'll give you one honest thing. If they win that game I'm going to be unbearable on this show for a month.

Shane Sheehan

There it is. That's all I wanted.

Mail. Three, because Shane is audibly running out and Will can see it from across the table.
Will Hunter

Mail, and we're going quick. Andrea in Rockford, who is here every single week. She wants to know if we're worried about Cam Edwards carrying it twenty-two times.

Shane Sheehan

No.

Will Hunter

That's the whole answer?

Shane Sheehan

He's a grown man and it's September.

Will Hunter

Mansour said they'd be sensible with him Wednesday and then immediately asked everybody not to turn that into an injury story, so, consider it not turned. Devon in Southfield. Who do you trust more right now, the offense or the defense.

Shane Sheehan

Offense. It isn't close and I don't want to talk about it.

Will Hunter

Offense, and I'd say it's closer than people think, because that second half was the best half of defense they've played, and it's also the only half of defense they've played against a team that can actually move the ball. Eastern had three hundred and sixteen yards.

Shane Sheehan

Against our first half.

Will Hunter

Mostly against our first half, yeah.

Shane Sheehan

Then it's not close.

Will Hunter

Last one. This is from a guy named Pat who did not tell us where he lives. He wants to know what we'd need to see Saturday for it to be a good day even if they lose.

Shane Sheehan

I'm not answering that.

Will Hunter

Why not?

Shane Sheehan

Because I'm not planning the loss. I did that for six straight years. I'm not doing it this week.

Will Hunter

I'll answer it. Two things. One, they don't get moved off the ball up front, because that's the thing that would tell us something about October and November. Two, whatever happens, it doesn't look like the first hour of Saturday.

Shane Sheehan

That's a careful answer.

Will Hunter

It is. Locked On Spartans, we're back Thursday, Friday's the walk-up, and Saturday we're on early because of the travel.

Shane Sheehan

How early.

Will Hunter

Eight.

Shane Sheehan

Eight in the morning.

Will Hunter

Eight in the morning. Go Green.

Shane Sheehan

Go Green. And it's from the game.

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